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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  TE - Order and punctuality can be reassuring but such high control comes at a cost. Remember: Mussolini got the trains to run on time! Fraz
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  Today is Father's Day in the US

  by leaving_quietly in

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  2. beliefs

  it is one of those holidays jws do not celebrate.

  there is no reason for it.

  it is not a religious holiday.

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  No Father's Day for me again this year until I visited my Mum who bought something for my son to give me. My wife is not attending the KH but old habits die-hard - she did nothing to help my son celebrate Father's Day with me. It seems that it is one thing to stop attending - it is another thing entirely to get all the BS out of her head. Maybe in time...
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  Science proves there is a God

  by seekchristonly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fusion with god natural .

  in the cosmos universe or whatever.

  all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.

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  Wow - talk about leading with one's chin! Was it bravery, foolhardiness or sheer chutzpah that inspired the OP? I skimmed page 1 and page 7 - it was pretty much as I had anticipated. Pretty much the most oxymoronic statement I have seen on JWN.
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  This week's WT study...made me so sick.....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this week's study april 15th 2014 was called "do you see the one who is invisible?".

  it was perhaps one of the most depressing, controlling, fear-mongering, stress inducing, doctrinally incorrect, hate-inspiring, judgemental, cult-like, irrational, hyped-up, critical, crazy, stretched out, fanciful, illogical, burdensome, inflated, coersive, manipulative, and brain-snappingly weird stuff i have read for some time.... (but i'm sure it was just a rehash and repeat of previous stuff...for the new masses....).

  i had to keep up a sane appearance while in the hall, and even answer some garbage while this was being 'studied'... my cognitive disonance must be so strong now, because i found this one of the hardest ones to endure....now that i am home, i have poured a stiff drink and am trying to clear my head...... one paragraph was classic:.

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  The title of the WT study has overtones of the "Emperor's New Clothes".
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  CO Visits

  by Frazzled UBM in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  more questions from an uninformed ubm: do co visits all happen at the same time each year?

  is now co visit season?

  what does this mean in terms of harrassing inactive memebers to come to meetings?

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  After telling me mid-week she would go to the KH last Sunday, she didn't end up going (thank you Rafael Nadal for being more interesting to watch than the CO) so all is good and she has still only been to the KH once this year plus the Memorial. If she keeps this up maybe they will start shunning her for fading (not that she has articulated to me that she is fading - I think she just realises that spending time with her family is a lot more fun than spending time at the KH).
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  Breaking News :Charity Commission takes Wathtower to Tribunal in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.

  two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !

  they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.

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  The Searcher - I understand your pessimism but I would counsel against defeatism. The Charity Commission needs to know that it is giving tax rfree status to organsiation that systematically engages in psychologically abusive practices against members and ex- members. JWN is testament to that. At least it is worth having a crack even if the chances of success are low. We can get it on the radar and then if the Charity Commission doesn't take it seriously we could try and get some press coverage.
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  Breaking News :Charity Commission takes Wathtower to Tribunal in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.

  two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !

  they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.

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  My complaint submitted to the Charity Commission under the heading 'harm to beneficiaries':

  "The organisation expects its members (rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses) to get their children to study and accept as truth the organisation's publications and have a book specifically targetted at children ('My Bible Studies') which has graphically violent imagery and stories designed to develop a phobia that 'Jehovah' will kill and harm all those who do not obey him (and his organisation, the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society). While the book uses bible stories it selects and embelishes them to make them more frightening. My wife is a Jehovah's Witness and I found out she had been secretly reading this book with my son. I was horrified to read the book and see the violent imagery and stories. My son was relieved when I explained to him that the stories were not real as they had been causing him nightmares. I was able to persuade my wife that this material was inappropriate for a 6 year old child and so she stopped reading it to him but I fear for those chilren whose parents are both Jehovah's Witnesses and obey the organsiation by exposing their children to this material. I believe that exposure to this frightening phobia-inducing imagery is a form of child abuse."

  I would encourage all JWN members in the UK to make complaints under the same heading about the pyschological impact of shunning, the breaking up of families etc. It would be great if we could get the scope of the Commission's inquiry expanded to encapsulate all the abusive practices of the WBTS.
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  What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

  by FL_Panthers in

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  2. friends

  as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

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  The use of phobias to indoctrinate children so the WBTS can manipulate them psychologically later in life. I believe this is a form of child abuse.
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  Obama Speaks as The Great Whore

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  obama speaks at us war cemetery on d-day landings anniversary.

  "united states of america is and will remain the greatest force for freedom the world has ever known.".

  on may 28, obama delivered a commencement address to the us armys newest officers at west point, where he argued america would remain an empire forever.. .

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  Sorry that should have been 'none of it came to pass'
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  Obama Speaks as The Great Whore

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  obama speaks at us war cemetery on d-day landings anniversary.

  "united states of america is and will remain the greatest force for freedom the world has ever known.".

  on may 28, obama delivered a commencement address to the us armys newest officers at west point, where he argued america would remain an empire forever.. .

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  Frazzled UBM

  Scotoma - you are delusionary - listen to Apognophos - Revelations was all about the Roman Empire and one of it came to pass - the Bible has zero prophetic value. Stop peddling your ridiculous views on here. Fraz